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Nokarookoff

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This thread is a snapshot of the past, at a bad time for chess when there was no one undisputed champion.

We're living in a golden age now. There is one champion, Magnus Carlsen, whom nobody disputes. He's great, and everyone knows it. His two-time opponent and the former undisputed world champion, Vishy Anand, is also great, and everyone knows it. Both men are sane, pleasant and a credit to chess.

Whenever we forget how lucky we are (because it would be nice if the world championship matches were longer or something like that) we should look back on the age of disunity.



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I-L-Y ...

Kirsan Ilyumzhinov, current President of FIDE, accused accomplice in a murder plot, accused liason between Putin and Hussein, destroyer of International Chess.




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And kWildboar. (silent K)



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Thanks for the update. It's interesting that the four strongest players since Fischer have names beginning with K: Karpov, Korchnoi, Kasparov, Kramnik.



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"I haven't kept up with the championship much the last few years. So Kramnik is the champion? When did Kasparov cease being champion?"

Yes, Kramnik is king. He defeated Kasparov in a world championship match in 2000, by the score of 8.5 to 6.5.

There have also been FIDE world champions, but this title is bogus. Karpov has agreed that the line of succession is Karpov-Kasparov-Kramnik. By saying this, Karpov admitted that his own FIDE title (the one he held simultaneously with Kasparov, not the real title he held before Kasparov) doesn't count.

The current FIDE champion, Ruslan Ponomariov, is a joke. He was offered a match with Kasparov, and if he had won he could have played Kramnik for the unified title, but he chickened out over some weak excuse about an extra rest day.

Kramnik isn't proving a very dominant world champion like Kasparov and Karpov were. Kasparov may still be the best player. But as long as Kramnik remains fully willing to take on challengers, which he is, the title is his till somebody beats him.

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To find all that is wrong with chess you only have to write three letters:

I-L-Y...





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I haven't kept up with the championship much the last few years. So Kramnik is the champion? When did Kasparov cease being champion?



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Hi, Jan.

Of course no hard feelings, you were very nice. And thank you for nicely making me a little better informed. :)

Naturally I agree that Gary Kasparov is the strongest player, this is not in doubt, since Deeper Blue got broken up once the point about minds versus machines was proven. Also, his durability at the top is awesome. And I don't count him as finished as champion yet by an means: he has a very, very good chance to be the next undisputed world champion. Like Botvinnik, another great and very long-time champion, he won't just lie down and "die".

"Have you analysed the burlesque BGN World Championship in London?" No. I find the way Gary Kasparov has behaved in chess so unpleasant, particularly in having computer matches on behalf of the human race and not preparing properly and not doing his race (the human race) justice, that I just don't play though his games. I'm not saying others shouldn't like him and be thrilled by his chess, of course they should, he's fantastic. This is only my feeling, and my loss. That's why I have a couple of books of his matches with Karpov (whose chess I like), and they just sit their on my shelf unread -- my loss. So this is why I have not analysed anything.

"Do you remember that Garry in game 14 MUST win the game but offered a draw on move 13 or 14 or so?" I didn't know this, let alone remember it. Thank you. Of course you understand why.

I haven't even bought a book of the match, because there are no good books on it and it was only fifteen games before Gary Kasparov changed the rules so that the final game couldn't be completed, which is not enough. The best formula was 24 games, first to 12 1/2 points, and the book might be a masterpiece by the winner, like Botvinnik or Tal. That was perfection.

Actually, I haven't bought a book on any of the FIDE contests either, because there are none on the shelves of my local bookstore, and because I have no interest in speed chess, or gambling in Las Vegas or anywhere else for who will be "FIDE World Champion". :/ (Also, what kind of system was it when Karpov was removed for his title when the time was not up, just because it suited some bureaucrat to do so? It seems clear this system does not produce a real "king of chess".) And from Kasparov-Short on, there were really no valid, undisputed world championship matches, in my view. So I had no reason to pay attention to any of this.

I only "woke up" when it became apparent that Kramnik as champion meant something, basically a restoration of good order, dignity and unity, plus a rematch for the human race against the machines, this time with a human champion who will take his job seriously and do us justice, win or lose.

This is all exactly what the "king of chess" should do, and only Kramnik is doing it, so OK, I accept that against all the evidence, he most be the king, and three cheers for the king!

(This is nothing against Ruslan Ponomariov. He's fine, he's done nothing wrong. It's just that Vladimir Kramnik is doing do much right that I wanted to applaud him for it.)

Truth does indeed have its rights. First, Gary Kasparov is and has for a long time been a sensationally effective player. The results prove it. Second, there may indeed be grave doubts over the Kasparov-Kramnik match.

However, in my view, there's nothing to be done about that. Everything can be above board, and the organisation of chess can be right, and the challenger and the champion can both be fine representatives of human culture instead of casting discredit on the human race, but only post-Kasparov. (And only with a major reform of FIDE. And only if the nest great star isn't a mad fool like Fisher.) Till then, we have to take what we can get, and what we have, most unexpectedly from Vladimir Kramnik, the bad joke who got his title match by losing his candidates match, is a king.

David Blue



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Briefly... Don't you overlook the FACT that Kasparov has been the top of the world for 1.5 decade? Has Kramnik won as many top-tournaments as Garry has done over and over again for so many years? Have you analysed the burlesque BGN World Championship in London? Do you remember that Garry in game 14 MUST win the game but offered a draw on move 13 or 14 or so?
I've got the ChessBase Magazine multi media report, wherein GMs not just raised their eyebrows, but were genuinely flabbergasted at what kasparov did! Nobody understood. Remarks like 'This can't be possible! This is not normal. This is not Kasparov', etc.
Whatever, indeed, great player Kramnik is, he is not the better player. Undisputably this is Kasparov. Truth has its rights. No hard feelings, David!

Kindest regards

Jan



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