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  too late now . . . some old analysis ideas back move 22

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GoBoSox



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United States
Mon Nov 3 2003 12:42AM | MsgID: 265127


John,

Alas, you're right -- I notice Kd2 a bit later-- after I had sent in the post...burning the mid-night oil...you miss the best lines -- too bad but Black needs to repair this line 19...Rd8 !? looks like a worthy try.

Regards,

DT



Bro. Rick



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United States
Sat Nov 1 2003 6:40PM | MsgID: 263277


Hi JohnL, I agree with you.
Regards, Bro. Rick



JohnL

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United States
Sat Nov 1 2003 6:05PM | MsgID: 263241


hi DonT:

DonT posted:
22 f4 Bxc3+ 23 Qxc3 Rf7 24 f3 fxe4 25 Rxh5 gxh5 26 Kf2 e3+ 27 Qxe3 Nf5
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black is winning in the above line. After 26.Kf2 e3+ 27.Qxe3 Nf5, black has time for ..Nd4 holding off the attack on the K.

However, white wins with 26.Kd2 (not ..Kf2). White's lethal threat is Rg1+ with an overwhelming attack on the K. 26.Kf2 e3+ forces Qxe3 taking the Q away from the diagonal. Any K move (instead of Qxe3) allows ..Nf5 attacking the B at h6, delaying Rg1+.

26.Kd2 (not Kf2) takes away the effectiveness of ..Nf5. After 26..e3+, 27.Kc2 allows the Q to stay on the diagonal to h8, without losing a tempo for Rg1+.

26.Kd2 e3+
27.Kc2 Nf5
28.Rg1+ Rg7
29.Rxg7+ Kh8
30.Rxe7+ Nd4 (discovered check and attacking the Q)
31.Qxd4 (winning the N)

I've posted a winning line for white after 22..Bxe2

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19..Rd8 might be the best try to hold.

19..c5 as in the game seems to make white's connected d-pawn stronger, while at the same time isolating both the c-pawn and the b-pawn.

..Rd8 puts pressure on white's d-pawn.

John




GoBoSox



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United States
Sat Nov 1 2003 2:43AM | MsgID: 262542


Well White should be able to choke us out no matter what we do...Qf5!?

I had criticized 19...c5 and initially thought that the check wasn't tasty but now feel that it's not all that bad, and believe that besides 22...Be2 (a move G Muellar favored) that 22...Bxc3+ was actually a "simple move" -- to get a very dynamic position and even a chance for a Black advantage (!)-- Both lines illustrate that White has a dangerous attack for a slight material deficit but looks like Black can do well, even though, some lines might lead to a White draw but feel that with good defense & counter attack --Black wins!

(D99 Grünfeld D, Smyslov, Main line)

1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 g6 3 Nc3 d5 4 Nf3 Bg7 5 Qb3 dxc4 6 Qxc4 0-0 7 e4 Bg4 8 Be3 Nfd7 9 Qb3 Nb6 10 Rd1 Nc6 11 d5 Ne5 12 Be2 Nxf3+ 13 gxf3 Bh5 14 Rg1 Qd7 15 Rg3 c6 16 a4 Qc7 17 a5 Nc8 18 Qb4 Be5 19 Bh6 c5 20 Qa3 Nd6 21 Rg5 f5 22 f4 Bxc3+ 23 Qxc3 Rf7 24 f3 fxe4 25 Rxh5 gxh5 (G Muellar only mentioned : 25… exf3?! 26 Bd3 c4? 27 Rh3 +/-) 26 Kf2 e3+ 27 Qxe3 Nf5 28 Rg1+ Kh8 29 Qc3+ Nd4 30 b4 Rd8 31 Rg5 b6 32 Rxh5 Qd6 33 Bd3

or
30.Rg5 Qd6 31.Rxh5 Qg6 32.Rh4 Rg8 33.Bg5 Qd6 34.b4 b6







Bro. Rick



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United States
Sun Oct 26 2003 11:49PM | MsgID: 254817


Hi Team, well, Yulia decided not to try 26.d6, so now with 26...Nd4 we will probably get a long losing endgame. By the way, I was looking at 26...b6 and could actually only find 1!! good line for White.
Later, Bro. Rick



Guusgeluk

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Netherlands
Sat Oct 18 2003 3:43PM | MsgID: 244133


Hello, I think that after 25....Nf5 Yulia first will play 26. d5-d6 to stop all the counterplay with the queen. For instance 26....cd6x 27.Re4x Re8 ( or Nd4 28. Bc4+ Kh8 29. Nb5 Qc6 30. Rdd4x cd4x 31. Qd3 Rf6 32.Qd4x Raf8 33. Re6 Qh1+ 34.Bf1 Qf3 35. Rf6x Qf6x 36. Qf6x Rf6x 37. Na7x is much better for white) 28. Re8x Re8x 29. Nd5 Qg7 ( or Qd8 30 Qa4 {idea Qe8x}Re5 31. Kf1 Nd4 32. f4 is also a win for white)30 Kf1 ( free Be2!)Nd4 31. Bc4 and this position is most certainly a win for white



JohnL

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United States
Thu Oct 16 2003 9:50AM | MsgID: 241387


hi Bro. Rick:

you'd think that with the combination of fine detailed analysis and low-ply computer lines that the team could've avoided losing.

Incidentally, I'm finding a way for white to resist ..Qf8 in the Basman game. So far ..Bd3 seems to win. white can set up a secure position with b3, Kb2, Nc1 which is very hard to break through. ..Bd3 tends to disrupt that setup.





Bro. Rick



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United States
Thu Oct 16 2003 8:27AM | MsgID: 241300


Hi JohnL, I think the detailed analysis was fine, but the ply depth was weak.
Regards, Bro. Rick



JohnL

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United States
Wed Oct 15 2003 4:09PM | MsgID: 240380


Bro. Rick wrote:
as far as I know there was a lot of strong detailed analysis on this game

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That brings up the subtle point that strong detailed analysis in itself may be misleading.



GoBoSox



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United States
Wed Oct 15 2003 6:33AM | MsgID: 239808


Hi Bro.Rick (et al),

I go away for a few moves to find us lost...as noted earlier 13...Bh5 is not the problem...it has been known for a long time & Symslov (and a bunch of others) tried every other move before this one (back in the 40s & 50s) & offers Black some reasonable chances ..the problem that I had with this line is that White had been scoring very well & feared what happened in this game..the ROW forgot about keeping tension in the center and then our kingside gets blasted...I wanted to play 10...e5 or even Bf3...as both lead to an easier game with the latter known to be draw since the early 50s...We must credit Yulia as she played some outstanding "small" moves; that led to our faulty play...I think 19...c5 wasn't correct ...even though I haven't looked at the position closely but after that it appears White has it easier

Regards,

Don T




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