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  move 28.5 all moves lose, but 28...a6? loses very fast to 29.d6! . . .DESERTERS

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JimG

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United States
Tue Nov 18 2003 7:31AM | edited: 7:32:27 | MsgID: 288084


If Yulia plays again, I am sure there will be widespread interest and participation. She has gotten our attention. My pledge to you: This game will be avenged, as the first Plaskett - ROW game was avenged.



BMcC

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United States
Tue Nov 18 2003 6:05AM | edited: 6:12:25 | MsgID: 287994


Hi,

Some of us post at gamers.com, where we can discuss assigning blame in various games around the world. As I see it, this site has been playing some of the best games recently but there is no doubt what so ever that this game was dominated by a voting majority who did not read the forum. I understand some very high rated people tried to make sense of the f4 catastrophe BEFORE it was played but many others called the move for what it was. It drops a full piece and is an embarrassment for an OTB game much less postal type format. It might be the worst move ever played in team chess. There is one simple explanation, some youngsters were attracted to our fine lady opponent. She deserved credit for a high level game utlizing main line professional theory but it doesn't change the facts of this game's voting records. I do not see how any forum posting person would want to post on a forum with a 30% voting block. Especially when their work can cotribute to games with 2500 players where a voting majority has been interacting very well.
Since I see no way to use this forum to yell at the people who don't read this forum, I don't see anything constructive coming from bashing the regulars. Most newbies will read the forum for the 1st few moves, so might I suggest posting at the new WIM game. Some nice "suggestions" about loyalty to the team effort as you did here might keep a voting majority reading the forums at least once or twice during the 5 voting days.



GoBoSox



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United States
Mon Nov 17 2003 11:46PM | MsgID: 287695


We are playing a GM and I can understand why many of the top players decided not to continue-- I opted to resign after 29 d6...White as the initiative, material, etc..

you do make some very valid points about the ROW --- there are many players not looking at the forums for guidance-- not that all should but players under 2000 certainly should take a cue from the stronger players...I can only imagine that there are some that don't know how to use the tools easily--we're not all computer geeks - so we need to find some why to make it easier for the ROW to get the info about a new posting quicker, as well as get back and forth to the designated game easier, etc; in my short time on this site I've seen several enhancements, so I expect more to improve...

Regards,

DT



Dibbellabbes



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Germany
Thu Nov 13 2003 6:44AM | MsgID: 280821


Hi Bro. Rick and team,

You are absolutely right!

When I came back from holiday and saw 22… Bxf4 I was so disappointed that I left the team. But it was a very rotten behaviour about the team and I shouldn’t have done it, I know.

The analysis with you, Günter and all the others was very fine and I can’t understand myself why I gave up this fine work.

Now I am very, very sorry about my behaviour and I do apologize. ,(

Best regards
Dibbellabbes




Bro. Rick



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United States
Wed Nov 12 2003 11:34PM | MsgID: 280595


Hi kingscrusher and ROW Team.
I am very disappointed in the team's vote of 28...a6??
Even on the title of the last post I said that 28...a6 lost fast.
All the strong players that started out on this team all of a sudden quit!
They didn't even vote.
Only gmueller analyzed with me.
The players that didn't quit must not look at the posts. Is that teamwork?

As Captain of the ROW Team I think it's your responsibility to chastise some of the quitters
In some countries during wartime, deserters were shot!!
I am very dispointed in some of these team members, they could have at least resigned, but said nothing. This is not team participation as I would like to be part of. I certainly wouldn't want them defending my household and running away. The yulia game could have reaced a few interesting endgames, and though ultimately losing, some of the players would have learned a few things.
I think we should resign. It's very easy to see that 29.d6 wins and I don't think the rest of the game would be educational for anyone, except for maybe the voters who voted for 28...a6? Maybe they need to see how it loses. Maybe they need to read the posts.

I think after the basman game, I might quit the ROW Team. Maybe a Team can be put together who will remain faithful to the end.

Regards, Bro. Rick



kingscrusher





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United Kingdom
Wed Nov 12 2003 6:24PM | MsgID: 280079


Great credit to Yulia!

She has played a great game, and I think we were in trouble shortly after the opening. She played a nice mix of positional and tactical chess. Perhaps we should be more communicative as a team somehow, and I am open to suggestions to help improve communication. But in this game, I am interested to know at what move we went wrong. Perhaps a post-mortem analysis with her will be possible...

I have voted to resign, and if towards the final day, the majority vote is to resign, I will thank her for the game and resign on behalf of the team.

Best wishes
K



Nik_T..

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England
Wed Nov 12 2003 6:09PM | MsgID: 280060


Guys I think we need to resign, but that is just a personal opinion! Good luck with finishing the game of.
Nik



gmueller

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Germany
Wed Nov 12 2003 10:17AM | edited: 10:20:11 | MsgID: 279499


(992) Yulia - RoW [D99]

[[1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Qb3 dxc4 6.Qxc4 0-0 7.e4 Bg4 8.Be3 Nfd7 9.Rd1 Nc6 10.Qb3 Nb6 11.d5 Ne5 12.Be2 Nxf3+ 13.gxf3 Bh5 14.Rg1 Qd7 15.Rg3 c6 16.a4 Qc7 17.a5 Nc8 18.Qb4 Be5 19.Bh6 c5 20.Qa3 Nd6 21.Rg5 f5 22.f4 Bxf4 23.Rxh5 Bxh6 24.Rxh6 fxe4 25.Rh4 Nf5 26.Rh3 Nd4 27.Nb5 Nxb5 28.Bxb5 a6

29.d6 exd6 30.Bc4+ Kg7 31.Qc3+ Rf6 32.Rxh7+ Kxh7 33.Qxf6 Qg7

34.Qxg7+ Kxg7 35.Rxd6 Rh8 36.Bd5 e3 37.fxe3 Rxh2 38.Rb6 Rh5 39.Rxb7+ Kh6 40.Bc4 Rh1+ 41.Bf1 Kg5 42.Kf2 Rh2+ 43.Kg3 Rc2 44.Bxa6 c4 45.Rc7 c3 46.b4 Ra2 47.Bb7 Ra4 48.a6 Rxb4 49.a7 Ra4 50.a8=Q Rxa8 51.Bxa8 c2 52.Rxc2 Kf6 53.Rc6+ Kf5 54.Rxg6 Kxg6 ]]TBS -#14 1–0




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Playable game #1






JimG

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United States
Wed Nov 12 2003 7:22AM | MsgID: 279305


Try for perpetual check:

[Event "120'/40+60'/20+30'"]
[Site "Marietta"]
[Date "2003.11.12"]
[Round "?"]
[White "New game"]
[Black "Fritz 7"]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "D99"]
[PlyCount "137"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. Nf3 Bg7 5. Qb3 dxc4 6. Qxc4 O-O 7. e4 Bg4 8.
Be3 Nfd7 9. Rd1 Nc6 10. Qb3 Nb6 11. d5 Ne5 12. Be2 Nxf3+ 13. gxf3 Bh5 14. Rg1
Qd7 15. Rg3 c6 16. a4 Qc7 17. a5 Nc8 18. Qb4 Be5 19. Bh6 c5 20. Qa3 Nd6 21. Rg5
f5 22. f4 Bxf4 23. Rxh5 Bxh6 24. Rxh6 fxe4 25. Rh4 Nf5 26. Rh3 Nd4 27. Nb5 Nxb5
28. Bxb5 a6 29. d6 exd6 30. Bc4+ Kg7 31. Qc3+ Rf6 32. Rxh7+ Kxh7 33. Qxf6 Qg7
34. Qh4+ Qh6 35. Qxe4 Rf8 36. Qxb7+ Kh8 37. Qg2 Qf4 38. Bxa6 Qb4+ 39. Rd2 Qxa5
40. Qh3+ Kg7 41. Qd7+ Rf7 42. Qxd6 Qa1+ 43. Ke2 Qh1 44. Qe5+ Kh7 45. Qxc5 Qf3+
46. Ke1 Qa8 47. Qd6 Qh1+ 48. Bf1 Qe4+ 49. Re2 Qb1+ 50. Qd1 Qf5 51. Bg2 Qf4 52.
Bd5 Rc7 53. Re4 Qxh2 54. Rg4 Re7+ 55. Kf1 Qh3+ 56. Bg2 Qh5 57. b4 Kg7 58. Qd4+
Qe5 59. Qxe5+ Rxe5 60. f4 Rb5 61. Be4 Rxb4 62. Bxg6 Rb2 63. f5 Kf6 64. Rg2 Rb1+
65. Ke2 Rb3 66. Kf2 Ra3 67. Rg3 Ra2+ 68. Kf3 Ra4 69. Rg2 *

[[1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. Nf3 Bg7 5. Qb3 dxc4 6. Qxc4 O-O 7. e4 Bg4 8.
Be3 Nfd7 9. Rd1 Nc6 10. Qb3 Nb6 11. d5 Ne5 12. Be2 Nxf3+ 13. gxf3 Bh5 14. Rg1
Qd7 15. Rg3 c6 16. a4 Qc7 17. a5 Nc8 18. Qb4 Be5 19. Bh6 c5 20. Qa3 Nd6 21. Rg5
f5 22. f4 Bxf4 23. Rxh5 Bxh6 24. Rxh6 fxe4 25. Rh4 Nf5 26. Rh3 Nd4 27. Nb5 Nxb5
28. Bxb5 a6 29. d6 exd6 30. Bc4+ Kg7 31. Qc3+ Rf6 32. Rxh7+ Kxh7 33. Qxf6 Qg7
34. Qh4+ Qh6 35. Qxe4 Rf8 36. Qxb7+ Kh8 37. Qg2 Qf4 38. Bxa6 Qb4+ 39. Rd2 Qxa5
40. Qh3+ Kg7 41. Qd7+ Rf7 42. Qxd6 Qa1+ 43. Ke2 Qh1 44. Qe5+ Kh7 45. Qxc5 Qf3+
46. Ke1 Qa8 47. Qd6 Qh1+ 48. Bf1 Qe4+ 49. Re2 Qb1+ 50. Qd1 Qf5 51. Bg2 Qf4 52.
Bd5 Rc7 53. Re4 Qxh2 54. Rg4 Re7+ 55. Kf1 Qh3+ 56. Bg2 Qh5 57. b4 Kg7 58. Qd4+
Qe5 59. Qxe5+ Rxe5 60. f4 Rb5 61. Be4 Rxb4 62. Bxg6 Rb2 63. f5 Kf6 64. Rg2 Rb1+
65. Ke2 Rb3 66. Kf2 Ra3 67. Rg3 Ra2+ 68. Kf3 Ra4 69. Rg2]] *



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Playable game #1






Bro. Rick



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United States
Sun Nov 9 2003 11:05PM | MsgID: 276066


Hi gmueller,
OK, 28...Qd6 it is.
Regards, Bro. Rick



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