|Mon Sep 22 2003 8:35AM | MsgID: 212478|
hi Bro. Rick:
your ..Bxe2 ..Nf7 line was a good try, but...
Bro. Rick's 22..Bxe2 line:
22.f4 Bxe2 23.fxe5 Nf7 24.d6 Qd7 25.Bxf8 Rxf8 26.Kxe2 Nxg5 27.Qxc5 Nxe4 28.Nxe4 fxe4 29.dxe7 Qg4+ 30.Ke1 Qg1+ 31.Kd2 Qg5+ 32.Kc2 Re8 33.Rd8 Rxd8 34.Qc4+ Kh8
33.Qd5+ instead of Rd8. White forces an exchange of Q's and R's. White's e5-pawn keeps black's K at e6 allowing Ke4. black's only moves are with the g and h-pawns. After their advance, they're close enough for the white K to step over to capture them, allowing the h-pawn to queen.
(33.Qd5+ Kh8 34.Qxb7 prolongs the game, but white should win.)
33.Qd5+ Kg7 34.Qd8 Rxe7 35.Rd7 Kf7 36.Rxe7+ Qxe7 37.Qxe7+ Kxe7 38.Kc3 Ke6 39.Kd4 e3 40.fxe3 g5 41.b4 a6 42.Ke4 h5 43.h3 h4 44.Kf3 Kxe5 45.Kg4 Ke4 46.Kxg5 Kxe3 47.Kxh4 Kf4
(and the h-pawn queens)
22.f4 Bxe2 23.fxe5 Nf7
3Qr3/pp2P1kp/6p1/P3P1q1/4p3/8/1PK2P1P/3R4 b - - 0 1position after 33.Qd5+ Kg7 34.Qd8
|Sun Sep 21 2003 10:38PM | MsgID: 212185|
Hi JohnL & Team, the 22...Be2 and 23...Nf7 might have held:
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. Nf3 Bg7 5. Qb3 dxc4 6. Qxc4 O-O 7. e4 Bg4 8.
Be3 Nfd7 9. Rd1 Nc6 10. Qb3 Nb6 11. d5 Ne5 12. Be2 Nxf3+ 13. gxf3 Bh5 14. Rg1
Qd7 15. Rg3 c6 16. a4 Qc7 17. a5 Nc8 18. Qb4 Be5 19. Bh6 c5 20. Qa3 Nd6 21. Rg5
22. f4 Bxe2 23. fxe5 Nf7 24. d6 Qd7 25. Bxf8 (25. Kxe2 Nxh6 26. Qxc5 Rac8
27. Qb5 $16 (27. dxe7 Qxd1+ 28. Kxd1 Rxc5 29. exf8=Q+ Kxf8)) 25... Rxf8 26.
Kxe2 Nxg5 27. Qxc5 $16 Nxe4 28. Nxe4 fxe4 29. dxe7 Qg4+ 30. Ke1 Qg1+ 31. Kd2
Qg5+ 32. Kc2 Re8 33. Rd8 Rxd8 34. Qc4+ Kh8 35. exd8=Q+ Qxd8
|Sun Sep 21 2003 12:37AM | MsgID: 211032|
another 22.f4 Bxe2 23.fxe5 Nxe4 line:
even though white wins in the following ..Bxe2 line, black might give more resistance than any other line.
22..Bxe2 23.fxe5 Nxe4 24.Nxe2 Nxg5 25.Bxg5 Qxe5 26.Qc3 Qxh2
26..Qxh2 offers more resistance than ..Qd6. with Q's on the board, white's extra N vs. black's extra 2 pawns is a very difficult endgame.
27.Bxe7 Qh1+ 28.Kd2 Qxd5+ 29.Kc1 Qe4 30.Bxf8 Rxf8 31.Rd7 Rf7 32.Rd8 Rf8 33.Rxf8+ Kxf8
34.Qxc5+ instead of Qh8+. black might hold after Qh8+. 34..Qe7 allowing the Q-exchange gives white an easier win.
34.Qxc5+ Kf7 35.Nc3 Qe1+ 36.Kc2 a6 37.Qd5+ Kf6 38.Qg2 g5
(38.Qg2 may be a key move, holding the f-pawn to move f4, breaking up black's f-g-h connected pawns with 39.f4. Afterwards, white's Q takes the b-pawn and the h-pawn.)
39.f4 gxf4 40.Qxb7 Qf2+ 41.Kb3 Qf1 42.Qxh7 f3 43.Qh6+ Kf7 44.Qg5 Qd3 45.Qg1 Kf6 46.Qd1 Qe3 47.Kc2 Kg6 48.Qd6+ Kg5 49.Qd2 f4 50.Qxe3
(exchanging Q's and white wins)
|Sat Sep 20 2003 9:07AM | edited: 9:50:12 | MsgID: 209073|
hi Bro. Rick:
I didn't vote, because I had winning lines for white with any move. There wasn't a line posted for ..Bxe2 that holds. Reposting my ..Bxe2 line which wins for white:
how white can win in the ..f5 22.f4 Bxe2 23.fxe5 Bxd1 line
25.Nxd1 (not ..Kxd1) seems to lead to a winning line for white.
Nxd1 clears the 3rd rank for the white Q to move to g3 leading to an exchange of Q's. White already has an extra piece in this line. After the Q-exchange the N moves to b5 to attack the a and d-pawns. Black's R doesn't have the mobility to pick off pawns that the N and B have because the pawns are in the way.
After 34.Nxd6 white wins the R for N or B and then is a clear piece ahead.
22.f4 Bxe2 23.fxe5 Bxd1 24.exd6 Qxd6 25.Nxd1 Rf6 26.Qg3 fxe4 27.Qxd6 exd6 28.Rg4 Re8 29.Rf4 Kf7 30.Nc3 Rf5 31.Nb5 Rd8 32.Bg5 Rxf4 33.Bxf4 a6 34.Nxd6+ Ke7 35.Bg5+ Kxd6 36.Bxd8 Kxd5
(white has a K+B; the B mows down all the black pawns)
22... Bxe2 23. fxe5 Nxe4:
23...Nxe4 24.Nxe2 Nxg5 25.Bxg5 Qxe5 26.Qc3 Qd6 27.Nf4 Rf7 28.Rd3 Re8 29.Re3 Qd7 30.Re6 Rg7 31.Qxc5 a6 32.Qd4 Qc8 33.Kf1 Rd8 34.Bxe7 (white wins)
white has a winning attack against the black K, through the g7 square.
|Fri Sep 19 2003 10:22PM | MsgID: 208650|
Hi Team, WHAT HAPPENED? I thought the last number of posts clearly showed 22...Bxf4 was bad. I didn't check to see who didn't change their votes when they were asked to, but maybe the team doesn't follow the posts, or maybe they have something up their sleeve that we don't know about Anyhow, it is a little aggravating to spend so much time analyzing to find the team's best move, and have it thrown out the window, so to speak. Even FM Smith posted his thoughts to play 22...Bxe2.
Maybe I'm taking this too personal, but it seems like I wasted a lot of time. But, anyhow, as a Team, we go on. I do have some improvements for Black in the main line and White will have to make some nice waiting moves to win.
Yulia must be very happy with our move.
Regards, Bro. Rick
|Thu Sep 18 2003 10:40PM | MsgID: 207644|
vote leader 22...Bxf4 looses
Yulia - RoW [D99]
22.Bxf4 (1), 08.09.2003
[[1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Qb3 dxc4 6.Qxc4 0-0 7.e4 Bg4 8.Be3 Nfd7 9.Rd1 Nc6 10.Qb3 Nb6 11.d5 Ne5 12.Be2 Nxf3+ 13.gxf3 Bh5 14.Rg1 Qd7 15.Rg3 c6 16.a4 Qc7 17.a5 Nc8 18.Qb4 Be5 19.Bh6 c5 20.Qa3 Nd6 21.Rg5 f5 22.f4 Bxf4 23.Rxh5 fxe4 24.Bxf4 Rxf4 25.Rg5 Raf8 26.Rg2 b6 27.Bg4 b5 28.Qa1 R4f6 29.Be6+ Kg7 30.b3 h6 31.Kf1 b4 32.Ne2 Kh7 33.Kg1 Rf3 34.Qe5 c4 35.Nd4 Rd3 36.Rf1 Rf6 37.Nc6 Nb5 38.Qxe4 Nc3 39.Qxc4 Ne2+ 40.Kh1 Nf4 41.Rg3 Rc3 42.Rxc3 bxc3 43.f3 Qd6 44.Nd4 Nxe6 45.Nxe6 c2 46.Rc1 Rxf3 47.Rxc2 Qe5 48.Rd2 Rxb3 49.Qxb3 Qe1+ 50.Kg2 Qxd2+ 51.Kf1 Qc1+ 52.Ke2 Qa1 53.Qf3 Qb2+ 54.Kf1 Qb1+ 55.Kg2 Qf5 56.a6 Qxf3+ 57.Kxf3 Kg8 58.Nd8 Kf8 59.Nc6 Ke8 60.Nxa7 Kd7 61.Nc6 Kc7 62.Nxe7 g5 63.a7 Kb7 64.d6 h5 65.d7 Kc7 66.a8Q Kxd7 67.Qa7+ Kd6 68.Nc8+ Kd5 69.Qa5+ Kc6 70.Ne7+ Kd7 71.Qd5+ Kxe7 72.Qxg5+ Kf8 73.Qxh5 Ke7 74.Ke4 Kd6 75.Qd5+ Kc7 76.Ke5 Kb6 77.Kd6 Ka7 78.Qb3 Ka6 79.Kc6 Ka5 80.Qa3#]] 1-0
Playable game scores in this posting
Playable game #1
|Thu Sep 18 2003 9:35AM | MsgID: 206949|
Let's vote 22...Bxe2
vote leader 22...Bxf4 looses piece
22...Bxf4 23.Rxh5 fxe4 24.Bxf4 Rxf4 25.Rg5 Raf8 26.Rg2 b6 27.Bg4 b5 28.Qa1 R4f6 29.Be6+ Kg7 30.b3 h6 31.Kf1 b4 32.Ne2 +- 1.84