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Szkodnikow_i_ofiar

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Poland
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Wed Feb 24 2016 9:50AM | MsgID: 18868110


Originally posted by: "NewKnave"
It is with great sadness that i will no longer be continuing my subscription with Chessworld.




Good too see that you are still around and with full membership status!







penarth

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Wales
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Thu Sep 17 2015 7:41PM | MsgID: 18521292


If you took a sample of the population you would probably get a normal distribution but I would think the players here are skewed to the right - people who are good at the game are more likely to be playing it. I could well be wrong though.







LeHorla

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Wed Sep 16 2015 6:08PM | MsgID: 18518919


Are there any mathematically-oriented admins out there that could generate a bar graph showing number of players vs ratings? I think we would expect a normal distribution of ratings (bell-shaped curve) if there were no cheaters, but maybe we would see a significant bump in the curve at higher ratings if many players use engines?









Wulebgr

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Wed Sep 16 2015 2:16PM | MsgID: 18518433


Thanks Kingscrusher.

That other site where I play seems to think they can prove cheating and they ban players daily. Nonetheless, I suspect a far higher percentage of my opponents there than I do here.

I'm also nearer the top percentile-wise on that site, which may increase the likelihood of facing cyborgs.

[Quote from: "kingscrusher"]
[Quote from: "Wulebgr"]I'm curious. Does ChessWorld take a position similar to ICCF that rules against computer use cannot be enforced? Is it an accepted fact that above 2500, players are cyborgs? Below 2500, they are mostly human?

[Quote from: "kingscrusher"]


I posted this to the improvement forum:

In our current official league system, only one player is allowed to be over 2500 per team due to the engine risk factor. I think this has helped the fun of the league system - and those 2500 or above can play each other on board 1. I call this "insulation" against the risk of playing engine abusers.

Perhaps in our Pyramid system we can offer more "risk insulation" by having a special pyramid for 2500s and above - and if anyone goes over that rating on other pyramids, they get moved to the 2500+ "Champions League" pyramid?!

Does this sound a terrible concept?! Also only players less than 2500 should perhaps be allowed to enter the pyramids except for the "champions league" pyramid.

Edit: We have an analogous "champions league" in our league system where you can have as many 2500+ players on the team as one wants.

Feedback welcome from all




The 2500 is just a risk management measure. It is really difficult in correspondence style chess to conclusively prove engine usage.

The 2500 has been used as you say basically for team play for some time - Only one 2500 per team on board 1 in most leagues except the "Champions League" where there are no restrictions.









kingscrusher

Chess rating: 1875 Fide 2135
LCF 200 Fide approx. 2250
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Wed Sep 16 2015 10:52AM | MsgID: 18518114


[Quote from: "Wulebgr"]I'm curious. Does ChessWorld take a position similar to ICCF that rules against computer use cannot be enforced? Is it an accepted fact that above 2500, players are cyborgs? Below 2500, they are mostly human?

[Quote from: "kingscrusher"]


I posted this to the improvement forum:

In our current official league system, only one player is allowed to be over 2500 per team due to the engine risk factor. I think this has helped the fun of the league system - and those 2500 or above can play each other on board 1. I call this "insulation" against the risk of playing engine abusers.

Perhaps in our Pyramid system we can offer more "risk insulation" by having a special pyramid for 2500s and above - and if anyone goes over that rating on other pyramids, they get moved to the 2500+ "Champions League" pyramid?!

Does this sound a terrible concept?! Also only players less than 2500 should perhaps be allowed to enter the pyramids except for the "champions league" pyramid.

Edit: We have an analogous "champions league" in our league system where you can have as many 2500+ players on the team as one wants.

Feedback welcome from all




The 2500 is just a risk management measure. It is really difficult in correspondence style chess to conclusively prove engine usage.

The 2500 has been used as you say basically for team play for some time - Only one 2500 per team on board 1 in most leagues except the "Champions League" where there are no restrictions.







Wulebgr

Chess rating: 2105
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Tue Sep 15 2015 2:36PM | MsgID: 18516419


I'm curious. Does ChessWorld take a position similar to ICCF that rules against computer use cannot be enforced? Is it an accepted fact that above 2500, players are cyborgs? Below 2500, they are mostly human?

Originally posted by: "kingscrusher"



I posted this to the improvement forum:

In our current official league system, only one player is allowed to be over 2500 per team due to the engine risk factor. I think this has helped the fun of the league system - and those 2500 or above can play each other on board 1. I call this "insulation" against the risk of playing engine abusers.

Perhaps in our Pyramid system we can offer more "risk insulation" by having a special pyramid for 2500s and above - and if anyone goes over that rating on other pyramids, they get moved to the 2500+ "Champions League" pyramid?!

Does this sound a terrible concept?! Also only players less than 2500 should perhaps be allowed to enter the pyramids except for the "champions league" pyramid.

Edit: We have an analogous "champions league" in our league system where you can have as many 2500+ players on the team as one wants.

Feedback welcome from all










Szkodnikow_i_ofiar

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Poland
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Thu Jul 23 2015 9:02AM | MsgID: 18399097


Maybe make exception for the main full member and guest pyramid - keep these "open to all".

But as far as the specific "league pyramids" are concerned, I think the 2500 policy is an extention of current policy we already do.

The "Champions league" pyramid can also be an exception pyramid - but in the others, the 2500+ players should be prevented and transferred when appropriate. [/quote]

It's been two months and these changes have not yet been implemented.







SCHACHMATT1

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Wed Jul 22 2015 10:47PM | MsgID: 18398426


Hi,
I want to use this opportunity to introduce myself briefly since I am a fairly new member of CW and actually the topic of this thread was something that first kept me away from this site.

I am from Germany and my FIDE Elo is currently around 1850, but it increased for almost 200 points this year because I restarted Chess and did some serious study about that. I even have 2000 Performances in my National Rating, which is a bit more competative than FIDE Elo. But my rating here is still quite low because I lost on time all my games at first because I was not sure if people cheat here.
With that being said, playing real-time on other servers does not fulfill me anymore because first my internet connection is slow and I lose all the time against people with far inferior knowledge of the game but just play for the clock, and I am unable to compete there. Thus, I came back here and started a lot of new games and also became a full member.

I have not the biggest sample of games yet on this site but my impression is that CW is really clean. I mean if you are a fairly good player you will have a lot of engine-moves in your game as well. A few weeks ago I made a post-game analysis on a game where I just crushed an almost 2200 player. Actually, all my moves beside the opening were first, second or third choice of my engine as well.

What I want to say is that such threads as here also have a different side for them. For example, if I understood correctly, someone was getting beat by a player, which he accused because of his low rating for cheating. So is any upset now in Chess a cheater? I do not like this approach. Also, if this player really started using engine help as well, this is really not sportsmanslike. So any game I might have a worse position I just start my engine before it is completely lost? No, I guess this sounds more like if this person needs to get some lessons in how to accept a loss in style. For example, I introduced myself now here but still my rating is below 1100, consequently everyone could say I seem to be a cheater. Luckily, I have to say that all my opponents until now where really kind and friendly and therefore I really like this site and do not think that cheating is the biggest issue here, if any at all.

Like others said, here is no prize money, nor fame. Everyone plays for himself in order to improve his game. That is why I do not consider using the Analysis Board as cheating. This is correspondance and not OTB. So, it is normal that people check variations by themselfes or get some ideas about the opening etc. That is why I think this way of playing really brings benefits for your chess performance. You can try out new positions or openings and deepen your knowledge in the Analysis. Of course, though, the Analysis should come from yourself with your own ideas and plans. Otherwise, you will not have any benefit. So, I see no reason to cheat here in the first place.

Sorry for the long post and let us have a lot of nice games.







kingscrusher

Chess rating: 1875 Fide 2135
LCF 200 Fide approx. 2250
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Thu May 28 2015 10:50AM | MsgID: 18276157


Originally posted by: "AsceticKingK9"
Brilliant fantastic I like the concept behind this idea, however, these higher rated players may feel victimised! I don't know, we will have to wait for a reply from a few of the high ranking players and even then it's not certain.




Maybe make exception for the main full member and guest pyramid - keep these "open to all".

But as far as the specific "league pyramids" are concerned, I think the 2500 policy is an extention of current policy we already do.

The "Champions league" pyramid can also be an exception pyramid - but in the others, the 2500+ players should be prevented and transferred when appropriate.







AsceticKingK9

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Poland
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Thu May 28 2015 10:46AM | MsgID: 18276150


Brilliant fantastic I like the concept behind this idea, however, these higher rated players may feel victimised! I don't know, we will have to wait for a reply from a few of the high ranking players and even then it's not certain.







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