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  Move 18

Bro. Rick



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United States
Tue Aug 12 2003 5:29PM | edited: 5:32:28 | MsgID: 173476


Hi Team, forget my last comment on 18...Nd6, it's better for White. So far 18...Be5 looks best, unless we find better.



Bro. Rick



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United States
Tue Aug 12 2003 2:29AM | edited: 3:01:29 | MsgID: 172981


Hi Gunter and Team,

on the line 18...Be5 19.dxc6 bxc6 20.Qc5 Rb8 21.Bh6 Bd6 22.Qg5 Rxb2 23.Bxf8 Kxf8 24.Qh6+ Kg8 25.Rg5 Bb4 26.Qxh5 Bxc3+ 27.Kf1 Bxa5 28.Rg4 Bd2
instead of Gunter's 29.e5 it looks like White draws with

29.Qh3 Qe5! (29...e5 30.Rh4 Qd8 (30...h5 31.f4 Bxf4 (31...Ne7 32.Bxh5 gxh5 33.Rxh5 Ng6 34.f5 Qd7 35.Qf3+-) 32.Bxh5 gxh5 (32...Bg5 33.Bxg6+-) 33.Rxh5 Nd6 34.Rxd6 Qxd6 35.Qc8+ Qf8 36.Rh8++-) 31.Rxh7 Qf6 32.Rxf7 Kxf7 33.Qxc8 +/=) 30.Rh4 (30.f4 Qxe4 31.Bd3 Qa4 -/+) 30...Nd6 (30...Qe6 31.Qxe6 fxe6 32.Bc4 g5 33.Bxe6+ Kg7 34.Rh3=) 31.Rxh7 c5 32.Rh4 e6 33.Rg4=)

Check this partial summary

18...f5 [18...Nd6; 18...Be5 19.dxc6 a)19.f4 Bxc3+ 20.Qxc3 Bxe2 21.Kxe2 Nd6 22.f3 Rfc8 23.dxc6 Qxc6 24.Qxc6 Rxc6 25.f5 b6 (a)25...Rc2+ 26.Rd2 Rxd2+ 27.Bxd2 Rc8 28.Bc3 Nb5 29.f4 Nxc3+ 30.bxc3 Kf8 31.fxg6 hxg6=) 26.b4 Rc2+ 27.Rd2 Rxd2+ 28.Bxd2 Rd8 29.axb6 axb6=; b)19.Rg2 Rb8 20.Kf1 Rd8 21.Kg1 e6 22.dxe6 fxe6 23.Qc4 Kf7 24.Rxd8 Qxd8 25.Na4 b5 26.axb6 Nxb6 27.Nxb6 axb6 28.Qxc6 Bxb2 29.Rg5 Rc8 30.Qb7+ Rc7 31.Qxb6 Rc1+ 32.Kg2 Qxb6 33.Bxb6 e5 34.Be3 Re1 35.Bc4+ Kf6 36.Rg3 Bc1 37.Bxc1 Rxc1 38.Bg8 Rc8 39.Bd5 g5=; c)19.Bh6 Rd8 20.Qc5 Bd6 21.Qd4 Be5 22.Qc5 Rb8 23.Rg2 Bd6 24.Qd4=; 19...bxc6 20.Qc5 Rb8 21.Bh6 Bd6 22.Qg5 Rxb2 23.Bxf8 Kxf8 24.Qh6+ Kg8 25.Rg5 Bb4 26.Qxh5 Bxc3+ 27.Kf1 Bxa5 28.Rg4 Bd2 29.Qh3 (29.e5 e6 30.Qh4 c5 =/-) 29...Qe5! (29...e5 30.Rh4 Qd8 (30...h5 31.f4 Bxf4 (31...Ne7 32.Bxh5 gxh5 33.Rxh5 Ng6 34.f5 Qd7 35.Qf3+-) 32.Bxh5 gxh5 (32...Bg5 33.Bxg6+-) 33.Rxh5 Nd6 34.Rxd6 Qxd6 35.Qc8+ Qf8 36.Rh8++-) 31.Rxh7 Qf6 32.Rxf7 Kxf7 33.Qxc8²) 30.Rh4 (30.f4 Qxe4 31.Bd3 Qa4µ) 30...Nd6 (30...Qe6 31.Qxe6 fxe6 32.Bc4 g5 33.Bxe6+ Kg7 34.Rh3=) 31.Rxh7 c5 32.Rh4 e6 33.Rg4=; 18...Rd8 19.Kf1 Be5=] 19.dxc6 [19.Bd4 Bxd4 20.Qxd4 c5 21.Qd2 f4 22.Rg5 Nd6 23.e5 Nf5 (23...Nf7 24.d6 (24.Rxh5 gxh5 25.d6 exd6 26.Nd5 Qd8 27.e6 Qg5 28.exf7+ Rxf7 29.Bc4 Re8+ (29...Qg1+ 30.Ke2 Re8+ 31.Kd3 Qg6+ 32.Kc3 Kg7 33.Kb3±) 30.Kf1 Kh8 31.Re1 +/=) 24...exd6 25.exd6 Qxa5 26.Rd5=) 24.d6 exd6 25.exd6 Qd8 (25...Qxa5 26.Qd5+ Kh8=) 26.Ne4² Nd4? 27.Rxc5+- Korotylev-Knott, Hastings 2002] 19...bxc6 20.Bd4= Van den Berg-Bozic, 1949


I am not pushing 18...f5 by any means; I do not believe it is a "looser" though. I believe 18...f5 is a draw at best. I also believe that 18...Be5 is a draw at best.

I think the 18...Nd6 move is very interesting, although a bit boring for a while. There's no analysis here on this move. It seems to lead to very many equal lines where Black also has many chances. If we just want a draw, 18...Be5 is probably the most forceful way. There's basic ideas above on this move, mostly by gmueller.



tahiv



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United States
Tue Aug 12 2003 1:45AM | MsgID: 172968


Here is White win after 18...f5

[[1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. Nf3 Bg7 5. Qb3 dxc4 6. Qxc4 0-0 7. e4 Bg4 8. Be3 Nfd7 9. Rd1 Nc6 10. Qb3 Nb6 11. d5 Ne5 12. Be2 Nxf3+ 13. gxf3 Bh5 14. Rg1 Qd7 15. Rg3 c6 16. a4!? Qc7 17. a5 Nc8 18. Qb4 f5 19. Bd4 Bxd4 20. Qxd4 c5 21. Qd2 f4 22. Rg5 Nd6 23. e5 Nf5 24. d6 exd6 25. exd6 Qd8 26. Ne4 Nd4 27. Rxc5 Nxf3+ 28. Bxf3 Bxf3 29. Qd5+ Kg7 30. Qd4+ Kh6 31. Rd3 Bh5 32. Rc7 1-0]] Korotylev,A-Knott,S/Hastings 2002

So Be5 gets my vote.



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gmueller

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Germany
Mon Aug 11 2003 10:36PM | edited: 10:40:16 | MsgID: 172814


Hi team
I have the best result with 18...Be5

Yulia - gmueller [D99]

[[1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Qb3 dxc4 6.Qxc4 0-0 7.e4 Bg4 8.Be3 Nfd7 9.Rd1 Nc6 10.Qb3 Nb6 11.d5 Ne5 12.Be2 Nxf3+ 13.gxf3 Bh5 14.Rg1 Qd7 15.Rg3 c6 16.a4 Qc7 17.a5 Nc8 18.Qb4 Be5 19.dxc6 bxc6 20.Qc5 Rb8 21.Bh6 Bd6 22.Qg5 Rxb2 23.Bxf8 Kxf8 24.Qh6+ Kg8 25.Rg5 Bb4 26.Qxh5 Bxc3+ 27.Kf1 Bxa5 28.Rg4 Bd2 29.e5 e6 30.Qh4 c5]] -+


Yulia - gmueller [D99]

[[ 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Qb3 dxc4 6.Qxc4 0-0 7.e4 Bg4 8.Be3 Nfd7 9.Rd1 Nc6 10.Qb3 Nb6 11.d5 Ne5 12.Be2 Nxf3+ 13.gxf3 Bh5 14.Rg1 Qd7 15.Rg3 c6 16.a4 Qc7 17.a5 Nc8 18.Qb4 Be5 19.f4 Bxc3+ 20.Qxc3 Bxe2 21.Kxe2 Nd6 22.f3 Rfc8 23.dxc6 Qxc6 24.Qxc6 Rxc6 25.f5 b6 26.b4 Rc2+ 27.Rd2 Rxd2+ 28.Bxd2 Rd8 29.axb6 axb6]] =


Yulia - gmueller [D99]

[[ 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Qb3 dxc4 6.Qxc4 0-0 7.e4 Bg4 8.Be3 Nfd7 9.Rd1 Nc6 10.Qb3 Nb6 11.d5 Ne5 12.Be2 Nxf3+ 13.gxf3 Bh5 14.Rg1 Qd7 15.Rg3 c6 16.a4 Qc7 17.a5 Nc8 18.Qb4 Be5 19.Rg2 Rb8 20.Kf1 Rd8 21.Kg1 e6 22.dxe6 fxe6 23.Qc4 Kf7 24.Rxd8 Qxd8 25.Na4 b5 26.axb6 Nxb6 27.Nxb6 axb6 28.Qxc6 Bxb2 29.Rg5 Rc8 30.Qb7+ Rc7 31.Qxb6 Rc1+ 32.Kg2 Qxb6 33.Bxb6 e5 34.Be3 Re1 35.Bc4+ Kf6 36.Rg3 Bc1 37.Bxc1 Rxc1 38.Bg8 Rc8 39.Bd5 g5]] ½-½


Yulia - gmueller [D99]

[[ 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Qb3 dxc4 6.Qxc4 0-0 7.e4 Bg4 8.Be3 Nfd7 9.Rd1 Nc6 10.Qb3 Nb6 11.d5 Ne5 12.Be2 Nxf3+ 13.gxf3 Bh5 14.Rg1 Qd7 15.Rg3 c6 16.a4 Qc7 17.a5 Nc8 18.Qb4 Be5 19.Bh6 Rd8 20.Qc5 Bd6 21.Qd4 Be5 22.Qc5 Rb8 23.Rg2 Bd6 24.Qd4 Be5 25.Qc5 Bd6 26.Qd4 Be5 27.Qc5 ]]Threefold repetition ½-½

MfG
Günter
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Kurt Widmann
Posted On 08/11/03 01:11PM
Hi team,

Just finished looking at this game.
Be5! is a must. Playing f5 is a looser.

18.Qb4 Be5
19.f4 Bxc3+

[20.Qxc3 Bxe2 21.Kxe2 Nd6 22.f3 Rfc8 23.dxc6 Qxc6 24.Qxc6 Rxc6 25.f5 Rc2+ 26.Rd2 Rxd2+ 27.Bxd2 Rc8 28.Bc3 Nb5 29.f4 Nxc3+ 30.bxc3 Kf8
31.fxg6 hxg6]

20.bxc3 Bxe2 21.Kxe2 Nd6 22.Bc5 Nc8 23.f5 b6 24.fxg6 hxg6 25.Be3 c5 26.Qb3 bxa5 27.c4 Qe5 28.Bxc5 Qxe4+ 29.Re3 Qh4 30.Rh3 Qg4+ 31.Ke1
Re8 32.Qe3 Nd6 33.Qh6 Qe4+ 34.Kf1 Qh1+ 35.Ke2 Qe4+ 36.Kd2 Qe5 37.Qh7+ Kf8 38.Qh8+ Qxh8 39.Rxh8+ Kg7 40.Bd4+ f6 41.Rxe8 Rxe8 42.Kd3
Rh8 43.Be3 Rh4 44.c5 Nb5 45.Rc1 Nc7 46.d6 exd6 47.cxd6 Ne6 48.Rb1 Rb4 49.Rxb4 axb4 50.Bxa7 ½-½



KWid

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gmueller

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Germany
Mon Aug 11 2003 12:31AM | edited: 1:35:45 | MsgID: 171874


Hi Bro Rick and team
I have at time the best result with 18...Be5

Yulia - gmueller [D99]

[[1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Qb3 dxc4 6.Qxc4 0-0 7.e4 Bg4 8.Be3 Nfd7 9.Rd1 Nc6 10.Qb3 Nb6 11.d5 Ne5 12.Be2 Nxf3+ 13.gxf3 Bh5 14.Rg1 Qd7 15.Rg3 c6 16.a4 Qc7 17.a5 Nc8 18.Qb4 Be5 19.dxc6 bxc6 20.Qc5 Rb8 21.Bh6 Bd6 22.Qg5 Rxb2 23.Bxf8 Kxf8 24.Qh6+ Kg8 25.Rg5 Bb4 26.Qxh5 Bxc3+ 27.Kf1 Bxa5 28.Rg4 Bd2 29.e5 e6 30.Qh4 c5 ]]-+

Yulia - gmueller [D99]

[[1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Qb3 dxc4 6.Qxc4 0-0 7.e4 Bg4 8.Be3 Nfd7 9.Rd1 Nc6 10.Qb3 Nb6 11.d5 Ne5 12.Be2 Nxf3+ 13.gxf3 Bh5 14.Rg1 Qd7 15.Rg3 c6 16.a4 Qc7 17.a5 Nc8 18.Qb4 Be5 19.f4 Bxc3+ 20.Qxc3 Bxe2 21.Kxe2 Nd6 22.f3 Rfc8 23.dxc6 Qxc6 24.Qxc6 Rxc6 25.f5 b6 26.b4 Rc2+ 27.Rd2 Rxd2+ 28.Bxd2 Rd8 29.axb6 axb6 ]]=

MfG
Günter

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Bro. Rick



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United States
Mon Aug 11 2003 12:16AM | MsgID: 171862


Hi Team, we're still following Van den Berg-Bozic 1949.

18...f5
0ther moves to look at are 18...Nd6; 18...Be5; 18...Rd8 19.Kf1 Be5. They all seem equal but 18...Rd8 is harder for Black. 18...f5 looks best but TN's are abundant here.

19.dxc6

[19.Bd4 Bxd4 20.Qxd4 c5 21.Qd2 f4 22.Rg5 Nd6 23.e5 Nf5 (23...Nf7 24.d6 (24.Rxh5 gxh5 25.d6 exd6 26.Nd5 Qd8 27.e6 Qg5 28.exf7+ Rxf7 29.Bc4 Re8+ (29...Qg1+ 30.Ke2 Re8+ 31.Kd3 Qg6+ 32.Kc3 Kg7 33.Kb3±) 30.Kf1 Kh8 31.Re1 +/=) 24...exd6 25.exd6 Qxa5 26.Rd5=) 24.d6 exd6 25.exd6 Qd8 (25...Qxa5 26.Qd5+ Kh8=) 26.Ne4 +/= Nd4? 27.Rxc5+- Korotylev-Knott, Hastings 2002]

19...bxc6
20.Bd4= Van den Berg-Bozic, 1949 Line

WHO WILL FIND/PLAY THE NEW BEST MOVE? We are entering a realm of high calculation. Be careful of any coming variations with Be5 moves where White, besides playing f4 or Rg2 can ignore the threat on his rook, thereby losing an important tempo for us.