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  Prokop (1929)-An unusual mate

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Fri Dec 28 2007 5:19AM | edited: 5:24:48 | MsgID: 8305510


Philip is right.
There is a missing pawn on c7 in the set up.
As for 8...Qc3+ 9. Kg8 would end up giving the same result.



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Sun Dec 23 2007 11:35AM | edited: 11:37:17 | MsgID: 8272566


I believe that Tartcover made a slip in setting up the position. There is a black pawn on c7 in the "Study Database 2000" version of this composition. The move ...Kh5 (part of the original solution) is rather artificial - but mate could not be delayed by more than 1 move anyway.

From the first reply in this thread it seems that not every chess player appreciates compositions - just as every music lover might not appreciate e.g. Stockhausen or Stravinsky



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Sun Dec 23 2007 8:55AM | edited: 9:01:34 | MsgID: 8271836


Originally posted by: "Tartcover"
F.Prokop
Magyar Sakkelet 1929 (...)



Hello Tarta and thank you for sharing this composition with us. I am not sure to understand the solution you give though (your own analysis?). Especially the last Black move 10...Kh5?? is not convincing. But even one move earlier 9...Qc3+ would win the rook pretty quickly!



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Sun Dec 23 2007 8:22AM | edited: 9:02:08 | MsgID: 8271755


Originally posted by: "sassafrass"
(...) let us recognize that 'composers'
are not artists,but merely cartoonists.



Mr Sass,
I had not read your prose for two years or so.
It has not changed much, it is as sickening as ever



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Sun Dec 23 2007 6:05AM | MsgID: 8271549


Originally posted by: "sassafrass"
Hi all,
I am well aware that endgame 'study' composers consider themselves to be
'artists'. I hereby demand a higher standard! In order for an endgame 'study'
to be recognized as 'high art', the composer should be required to provide
a flawless continuation from the starting position of Chess that leads to
his /her 'solution'. If this standard cannot be met, then that is OK.It will
simply show that 'composers' are prone to self-abuse.

Best wishes,sassa


P.S.

If that benchmark cannot be met, then let us recognize that 'composers'
are not artists,but merely cartoonists.



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Sun Dec 23 2007 5:40AM | edited: 5:43:18 | MsgID: 8271493


Hi all,
I am well aware that endgame 'study' composers consider themselves to be
'artists'. I hereby demand a higher standard! In order for an endgame 'study'
to be recognized as 'high art', the composer should be required to provide
a flawless continuation from the starting position of Chess that leads to
his /her 'solution'. If this standard cannot be met, then that is OK.It will
simply show that 'composers' are prone to self-abuse.

Best wishes,sassa



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Sun Dec 23 2007 5:00AM | MsgID: 8271303


Originally posted by: "Tartcover"
F.Prokop
Magyar Sakkelet 1929








Analyse position


White to play and win

Play through the moves, you will discover a fancy mate.
[[1. d8Q Qxd8 2. Rxd8 f1Q 3. Nxd5 Qa1 4. Nc3 Qxc3 5. Rd4 Qxe3 6. g8N+ Kh5
7. Nf6+ Kh6 8. Ng4+ fxg4 9. Rd7 Qe5+ 10. Kg8 Kh5 11. Rh7#]]


Hi Tartcover,
I could not care less how this ends! Kindly tell us how this situation came about!
Best wishes,sassa

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Sun Dec 23 2007 3:35AM | edited: 3:36:14 | MsgID: 8271127


F.Prokop
Magyar Sakkelet 1929







Analyse position


White to play and win

Play through the moves, you will discover a fancy mate.
[[1. d8Q Qxd8 2. Rxd8 f1Q 3. Nxd5 Qa1 4. Nc3 Qxc3 5. Rd4 Qxe3 6. g8N+ Kh5
7. Nf6+ Kh6 8. Ng4+ fxg4 9. Rd7 Qe5+ 10. Kg8 Kh5 11. Rh7#]]


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