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SteveCS

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I have a few books by Dover that are over 50 years old, and they're holding up great! ...


"A Dover Edition designed for years of use! We have made every effort to make this the best book possible ... This is a permanent book ..."

That is quite some claim ... Well it is 52 years on and every word has held true.


I definitely agree! The best were the good old original Dover Publications. Which, are no longer, unfortunately ...


I concur!

I don't know when the change took place, but my 1975 printing of 500 Master Games of Chess (by Tartakower and DuMont) has the "designed for years of use" blurb on the back cover, while my 1976 printing The World's Great Chess Games (by Fine) does not.

On another note, a true story:

I went to a used book concession at the U.S. Amateur Team Tournament back in the mid-1980's and inquired about the Dover reprint of the New York 1924 Internationl Chess Tournament (by Alekhine).

The concession operator (a well known name in the NY/NJ area) told me that it was no longer available because he, acting as a consulting advisor to Dover, recommended it be discontinued.

New York 1924 ? ... by Alekhine ? ... discontinued ? ... Incredible ! ! !



After which the guy's consulting role was also 'discontinued'...

Fortunately the book itself appears to be back in print;

Publisher: Hardinge Simpole (30 April 2004)
Language English
ISBN-10: 1843821257
ISBN-13: 978-1843821250

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Mon Dec 6 2010 1:45AM | edited: 2:35:39 | MsgID: 13818267


[Quote from: "Alkhemyst"]
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I have a few books by Dover that are over 50 years old, and they're holding up great! ...


"A Dover Edition designed for years of use! We have made every effort to make this the best book possible ... This is a permanent book ..."

That is quite some claim ... Well it is 52 years on and every word has held true.


I definitely agree! The best were the good old original Dover Publications. Which, are no longer, unfortunately ...


I concur!

I don't know when the change took place, but my 1975 printing of 500 Master Games of Chess (by Tartakower and DuMont) has the "designed for years of use" blurb on the back cover, while my 1976 printing The World's Great Chess Games (by Fine) does not.

On another note, a true story:

I went to a used book concession at the U.S. Amateur Team Tournament back in the mid-1980's and inquired about the Dover reprint of the New York 1924 Internationl Chess Tournament (by Alekhine).

The concession operator (a well known name in the NY/NJ area) told me that it was no longer available because he, acting as a consulting advisor to Dover, recommended it be discontinued.

New York 1924 ? ... by Alekhine ? ... discontinued ? ... Incredible ! ! !



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[Quote from: "bwzins"]I have a few books by Dover that are over 50 years old, and they're holding up great! Quite amazing, really! (Just wished they would convert more of their older titles into algebraic notation.)



I have "Hypermodern Chess: Games of Aron Nimzovich" by Fred Reinfeld. It was published in 1958 by Dover. Here is what it says on the back cover:

"A Dover Edition designed for years of use! We have made every effort to make this the best book possible. Our paper is opaque, with minimal show-through; it will not discolor or become brittle with age. Pages are sewn in signatures, in the traditional method used for the best books, and will not drop out as often happens with paperbacks held together with glue. Books open flat for easy reference. The binding will not crack or split. This is a permanent book."

That is quite some claim, and I expect that someone reading that in 1958 would have been rather 'yeah yeah, whatever' about it. Well it is 52 years on and every word has held true. The pages are all in place and have not faded, discoloured or become brittle. The binding has not cracked or split and the book still opens flat.

Its a shame the same can't be said of "My System - 21st Century Edition" by Hays - within 6 months of purchase the entire middle third of the book had fallen out and then disintegrated. 15 years on and the cover is frayed, split and creased, and the spine had collapsed in two places, and even more sections have become detached from the cover. What a dog!

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I definately agree! The best were without a doubt the good old, original Dover Publications. Which, are no longer, unfortunately. I think another publisher bought them out, and carried on the same name -- I can't say if the new ones are of the same quality. They were softcover books, but put together much better than any others -- solid paperbacks with tougher covers. Of course they are older books, and will be in descriptive notation (which I personally prefer). I often purchase old chess books, and my favorites are those Dover books -- I prefer them. They have lasted. I'll keep an eye out for those old Dover used books and buy them when possible, at a good price, and if it's a title I have some interest in. One of the recent ones purchased was Pillbury's Chess Career by Sergeant and Watts, printed in the 1960's. It's still in excellent condition.




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Originally posted by: "bwzins"
I have a few books by Dover that are over 50 years old, and they're holding up great! Quite amazing, really! (Just wished they would convert more of their older titles into algebraic notation.)




I have "Hypermodern Chess: Games of Aron Nimzovich" by Fred Reinfeld. It was published in 1958 by Dover. Here is what it says on the back cover:

"A Dover Edition designed for years of use! We have made every effort to make this the best book possible. Our paper is opaque, with minimal show-through; it will not discolor or become brittle with age. Pages are sewn in signatures, in the traditional method used for the best books, and will not drop out as often happens with paperbacks held together with glue. Books open flat for easy reference. The binding will not crack or split. This is a permanent book."

That is quite some claim, and I expect that someone reading that in 1958 would have been rather 'yeah yeah, whatever' about it. Well it is 52 years on and every word has held true. The pages are all in place and have not faded, discoloured or become brittle. The binding has not cracked or split and the book still opens flat.

Its a shame the same can't be said of "My System - 21st Century Edition" by Hays - within 6 months of purchase the entire middle third of the book had fallen out and then disintegrated. 15 years on and the cover is frayed, split and creased, and the spine had collapsed in two places, and even more sections have become detached from the cover. What a dog!

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No, don't have that one...yet! Until recently, reading about the endgame never really appealed to me, but I have started to see the beauty in it due to a couple recent purchases of other Chernev books, '200 Brilliant Endgames' and 'Chessboard Magic'. As in 'Logical Chess', you can see how much effort he put into selecting his examples.



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Do you have Capablanca's Best Chess Endings by Irving Chernev? That has top physical quality (it's Dover) and top content (Irving Chenev, with a great idea for a book), at a cheap price (it's Dover), and it's in algebraic. If there's a better bargain, I don't know what it is.



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I have a few books by Dover that are over 50 years old, and they're holding up great! Quite amazing, really! (Just wished they would convert more of their older titles into algebraic notation.)



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Interesting subject that I've thought of in the past, but never looked at by who the publisher is.
I agree that books by Dover are cheaper, but they've held up very well for many years. I've also found that books published by McKay, seem to have binding problems, but maybe the fact that I've had some of them for 35-40 may be be part of the poroblem too. For me, books published by "New In Chess", "Everyman Chess", and "Cadogan" have held up very well. The books I have by "Batsford" don't lay flat, making it difficult to see on the inside of the page near the binding.



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What do people think the best quality chess book brand is, or what particular books are especially good (or bad) not in terms of content but in terms of physical construction. I mean, best binding, best paper, strong covers, large pages, large and clear print and diagrams, ability to open and lie flat (enough) without strain or damage, etc..

I find I don't get much use out of books after initially reading them a time or three unless they are physically well-made.

I have some old Batsford books that I'll throw out soon, just because of the decaying paper. On the other hand, Dover books, despite being cheap, have held up well for me.