kingscrusher
Chess rating: 1979 Fide 2170
LCF 188 Fide approx. 2190
British Regional Master
 
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Chess goodies: 64 |  12/4/2007 12:20:27 PM | edited:12/4/2007 12:28:00 PM | MsgID: 8146953
[Quote from: "Comte de MonteCristo"][Quote from: "kingscrusher"]| [Quote from: "Comte de MonteCristo"]...I am considering video annotations of one of the entire world championship matches for example Karpov vs Kasparov 1985 ... |
Personally I would be hesitant in doing this. Some games will be quite dull draws. When I have gone over Kasparov tournaments - I covered only his wins in the Tilburg 1989 tournament, and it was quite enjoyable. I skipped all the draws. That's just my preference though - I like a decisive game result.
Highlights of the match in question between Kasparov and Karpov in 1985
Take for example Game 3
Mark Weeks writes:
"Game 3 - Queen's Gambit Declined
The game followed game 27 of the previous match, where Karpov played White. Kasparov varied from Karpov's continuation with his 7th move. After Karpov gained a slight advantage, Kasparov forced a simplification. The game was drawn after 20 moves, at Kasparov's proposal. "
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Thank you for the comments. I had already seen Mark Weeks' commentary on the match (Kasparov-Karpov 1985), which you quote. In particular, he is one commentator in question: on game 1 of the 1985 match on move 20 with White (Kasparov) to play we have this position
Analyse position
Mark Weeks writes that "Kasparov slipped on his 20th move" which is 20.Nxe8 capturing the knight. I do not know what move Weeks has in mind at move 20. I think 90% of chess players would play 20. Nxc8 capturing the bishop for a knight on the general principle that bishops are better than knights in relatively open endgames. Nevertheless, I have come to the conclusion that 20. Nxc8 only achieves equality and that Kasparov's surprising 20. Nxe8 wins the game and is exactly the right move!
Other comments from other players on this position would be interesting.
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Mark Weeks is very open to suggests and feedback on his commentaries. He is also a strong correspondence chess player and OTB player. He is the writer for chess.about.com and on that site I have had some dialogue with other World championship commentaries with him on the General chess discussion forum there. If you get a login there, the General chess discussion is at:-
http://forums.about.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?folderId=2&listMode=13&nav=messages&webtag=ab-chess
BTW: I think modern engine technology and hardware such as Rybka with powerful computers, is making it easy and quicker to blast through older analysis generally.
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Comte de MonteCristo
Chess rating: 2527
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Chess goodies: 18 | 12/4/2007 12:03:05 PM | edited:12/4/2007 12:11:27 PM | MsgID: 8146862
[Quote from: "kingscrusher"]| [Quote from: "Comte de MonteCristo"]...I am considering video annotations of one of the entire world championship matches for example Karpov vs Kasparov 1985 ... |
Personally I would be hesitant in doing this. Some games will be quite dull draws. When I have gone over Kasparov tournaments - I covered only his wins in the Tilburg 1989 tournament, and it was quite enjoyable. I skipped all the draws. That's just my preference though - I like a decisive game result.
Highlights of the match in question between Kasparov and Karpov in 1985
Take for example Game 3
Mark Weeks writes:
"Game 3 - Queen's Gambit Declined
The game followed game 27 of the previous match, where Karpov played White. Kasparov varied from Karpov's continuation with his 7th move. After Karpov gained a slight advantage, Kasparov forced a simplification. The game was drawn after 20 moves, at Kasparov's proposal. "
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Thank you for the comments. I had already seen Mark Weeks' commentary on the match (Kasparov-Karpov 1985), which you quote. In particular, he is one commentator in question: on game 1 of the 1985 match on move 20 with White (Kasparov) to play we have this position
Analyse position
Mark Weeks writes that "Kasparov slipped on his 20th move" which is 20.Nxe8 capturing the knight. I do not know what move Weeks has in mind at move 20. I think 90% of chess players would play 20. Nxc8 capturing the bishop for a knight on the general principle that bishops are better than knights in relatively open endgames. Nevertheless, I have come to the conclusion that 20. Nxc8 only achieves equality and that Kasparov's surprising 20. Nxe8 wins the game and is exactly the right move!
Other comments from other players on this position would be interesting.
Kind regards
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areich
Chess rating: 2353
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| 12/4/2007 9:50:58 AM | MsgID: 8146317
Originally posted by: "Comte de MonteCristo"
This game has already been given a video annotation by myself, but this does not prevent other annotators doing the same.
I am considering video annotations of one of the entire world championship matches for example Karpov vs Kasparov 1985 (at least 24 video annotations of all the 24 games). But I am not sure this would be of any interest to other players and the work required for this would be considerable. One difficulty is that some of the games are long and would require more than one video of 10 minutes; another problem is that the games are often very subtle and other commentators (not on this site) have made incorrect comments on the play. What are the opinions of other players on this project of a series of annotations of a WCh match?
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hi comte,
i didn't realise this, my apologies. you see i've been having issues searching these videos, i'm kind of a computer dummy & i don't surf youtube. i'll have to see if i can find your videos.
as for your karpov vs kasparov project, to lighten the load i suggest this:
*while this is a great match up, surely you could skip some?
*as per long/subtle games, try to maybe just cover key positions.
*some of these games may be worth 2 videos
in the end it's your time & effort, i think there's many people(not limited to this site) that enjoy & learn from these videos. also, lately i have been reviewing your regular annotations. very instructive.
regards, areich
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Comte de MonteCristo
Chess rating: 2527
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Chess goodies: 18 | 12/4/2007 7:36:30 AM | MsgID: 8145676
Originally posted by: "areich"
hi majnu,
would this game be a good dragon for you to consider? i'm no 'dragon guru' & am not sure if this is a 'popular' line. anyway, i remember this game because karpov is often praised for his positional play but in this game was aggressive & tactical. a nice annotation of this can be found in 'the mammoth book of the world's greatest chess games.'
regards, areich
Karpov,Anatoly
vs.
Korchnoi,Viktor
1974, Moscow - Round 2, Moscow, ECO B78
Sicilian: dragon, Yugoslav attack, 10.O-O-O
[[1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 6.Be3 Bg7 7.f3 Nc6 8.Qd2 O-O 9.Bc4 Bd7 10.h4 Rc8 11.Bb3 Ne5 12.O-O-O Nc4 13.Bxc4 Rxc4 14.h5 Nxh5 15.g4 Nf6 16.Nde2 Qa5 17.Bh6 Bxh6 18.Qxh6 Rfc8 19.Rd3 R4c5 20.g5 Rxg5 21.Rd5 Rxd5 22.Nxd5 Re8 23.Nef4 Bc6 24.e5 Bxd5 25.exf6 exf6 26.Qxh7+ Kf8 27.Qh8+ 1-0]] |
This game has already been given a video annotation by myself, but this does not prevent other annotators doing the same.
I am considering video annotations of one of the entire world championship matches for example Karpov vs Kasparov 1985 (at least 24 video annotations of all the 24 games). But I am not sure this would be of any interest to other players and the work required for this would be considerable. One difficulty is that some of the games are long and would require more than one video of 10 minutes; another problem is that the games are often very subtle and other commentators (not on this site) have made incorrect comments on the play. What are the opinions of other players on this project of a series of annotations of a WCh match?
Kind regards
Playable game scores in this posting
Playable game #1
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areich
Chess rating: 2353
United States
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| 12/3/2007 8:03:32 PM | edited:12/3/2007 8:03:55 PM | MsgID: 8142832
hi majnu,
would this game be a good dragon for you to consider? i'm no 'dragon guru' & am not sure if this is a 'popular' line. anyway, i remember this game because karpov is often praised for his positional play but in this game was aggressive & tactical. a nice annotation of this can be found in 'the mammoth book of the world's greatest chess games.'
regards, areich
Karpov,Anatoly
vs.
Korchnoi,Viktor
1974, Moscow - Round 2, Moscow, ECO B78
Sicilian: dragon, Yugoslav attack, 10.O-O-O
[[1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 6.Be3 Bg7 7.f3 Nc6 8.Qd2 O-O 9.Bc4 Bd7 10.h4 Rc8 11.Bb3 Ne5 12.O-O-O Nc4 13.Bxc4 Rxc4 14.h5 Nxh5 15.g4 Nf6 16.Nde2 Qa5 17.Bh6 Bxh6 18.Qxh6 Rfc8 19.Rd3 R4c5 20.g5 Rxg5 21.Rd5 Rxd5 22.Nxd5 Re8 23.Nef4 Bc6 24.e5 Bxd5 25.exf6 exf6 26.Qxh7+ Kf8 27.Qh8+ 1-0]]
Playable game scores in this posting
Playable game #1
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