FirebrandX
Chess rating: 1400
 
|  6/18/2009 9:01:17 AM | MsgID: 11554300
If you go to the ICCF site, they have an online database of games played there. It's under the "ICCF Game Archive" tab on the menu list.
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FirebrandX
Chess rating: 1400
| 6/12/2009 4:09:53 AM | MsgID: 11522357
Depends on what you mean by "computer". Software-wise, yes, Rybka is the strongest based on computer ratings lists. However, hardware-wise, the sky is the limit on making clusters of dozens or even hundreds of cpu cores.
I'm in agreement with KC that such a match would have little point. What makes these games fascinating is the added human element, regardless of how much blunder-checking is involved. I've been intensely studying the top ICCF GM games and find their opening choices quite interesting compared to the standard "main-line" book stuff that comes with software. There ar even lines in the Petroff where black can fight for the win, even though white seemingly does nothing wrong in the opening!
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Brian982
Chess rating: 1638
| 6/12/2009 2:55:00 AM | MsgID: 11522161
Then what is the most powerful computer program out there? Is it Rybka?
-Brian
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antolie
Chess rating: 2676 Fide 2139
LCF 2178
| 6/11/2009 7:32:59 AM | MsgID: 11517415
Ok but those don't work by them selves and have the same kind of teams behind them as Rybka (BTW Rybka beat them both Deep Bleu and Deep Junior) .
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Brian982
Chess rating: 1638
| 6/11/2009 4:07:25 AM | MsgID: 11517006
Trying to put this thread back on track: the original premise of this thread was a computer program vs. a ROW team, or that is how I read it. The counter-argument to this was that Rybka by itself was not strong enough, as there are several players on this site that use Rybka themselves, are stronger than Rybka right off the bat, or both.
A challenge to a Rybka world team has been proposed, and while I wouldn't mind another ROW match no matter who we played, I don't think this is in the spirit of the original posts for this thread. If Rybka by itself is not strong enough, why not simply find a much stronger computer? I know engines like that aren't commercially available, but I thought I'd throw out the idea of somehow arranging a match, however ridiculously unlikely, with something along the lines of Deep Blue or Deep Junior.
I know if you're reading this you must think I'm insane and if you're Kingscrusher reading this you must think I speak of an impossible task for you to arrange (and I probably am), but this was all that I could think of that keeps to the spirit of the original thread: a computer program vs. the Rest of the World.
If you feel so inclined to tell me that such an arrangement is impossible (and I'd fully believe you), please respond. On the other hand, if it's even just barely possible, who wouldn't like to say they played a game against Deep Junior?
Sincerely,
-Brian
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kingscrusher
Chess rating: 1960 Fide 2170
LCF 188 Fide approx. 2190
British Regional Master
| 6/10/2009 10:14:04 AM | edited:6/10/2009 10:18:51 AM | MsgID: 11512703
Originally posted by: "antolie"
Ok i just said it would be interresting to play the official rybka team.. on it's wc set up..
Dan's reaction totally went over my head, it's a known fact that only the the top 50 GM's earn enough money to feet there kids. By playing tournaments alone. They have to do other things or buy a tent and hoping for a hand out.. So if they don't fly TO the the states to play a few rounds of chess,, so be it!!!..
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Well I am also a little surprised coming to think about it more this morning. What I said was :
"Gormally did feel...."
(well more exactly I posted: " where to be honest the GM resigned because he did feel he was just playing against a group of power computer users")
and this got translated into:
"to hurl unfounded accusations of computer use.". Where were these hurled exactly?! I don't remember that.
The two don't equate. Gormally probably felt that the moves were highly accurate and clinical and essentially he felt he had no chance at all. It is not like OTB chess, where one senses some inaccuracies etc.
From my perspective as an OTB specialist player, it can be very unnerving to sense the "accuracy" of moves - or what I would call "clinicality". Gormally didn't hurl anything as such though - this was a private message sent to me via facebook, which I thought I could drop the essence of into this thread, without it turning into something highly melodramatic, or a major controversy.
I am sorry in that perhaps I was wrong to put some more insight into that resignation. Perhaps I should try and avoid posting in future any comments here regarding resignations, if they are to be blown out of all proportion. I feel a little regret now.
I hope Dan is not too outraged still by Gormally's resignation. I guess Gormally should have resigned a lot quicker, but apparently he had tried, and something went wrong. So it was my fault in a way for not getting in contact with him sooner to find out what was up. Sorry - I was a little busy at the time with adding new features to the site, etc.
To then go on to say about how British Chess is all "dried up", and how Las Vegas which had just 14 GM's playing in it and no British representatives playing, is incredible. Gibraltar had more than 50 GM's playing in it. It is sometimes not the prize fund, but other perks given to GM's to make it lucrative for them to play in events. The Elite GM's usually just go into the private invitational tournaments in any case, and not the bog-standard weekend tournaments, even if they are highly prize funded. Elite GM's would also be required to be paid quite a lot of money usually for even minutes of their time, let alone hours, days, weeks and months needed for correspondence chess games.
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antolie
Chess rating: 2676 Fide 2139
LCF 2178
| 6/10/2009 10:07:34 AM | MsgID: 11512686
I Hope they take the challenge,
Antolie
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