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Moves
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Be3 e6 7.Qf3 h5 8.O-O-O Ng4 9.Kb1 Nxe3 10.Qxe3 Nc6 11.Be2 Bd7 12.Rhf1 Rb8 13.Nxc6 bxc6 14.Bxa6 Be7 15.f4 d5 16.f5 Qa5 17.Qg3 O-O 18.f6 Bxf6 19.Rxf6 d4 20.b3 dxc3 21.Rxd7 Rbd8 22.Rxd8 Rxd8 23.Rf1 Qxa6 24.Qf3 Qa3 25.Qxc3 Ra8 26.Qb2 Qb4 27.g3 c5 28.c4 Rd8 29.Qf2 Rd7 30.Rc1 Qa5 31.Qe1 Qd8 32.Kc2 Qa8 33.a4 Rd4 34.Qe3 Rxe4 35.Qxc5 Re2+ 36.Kc3 Rxh2 37.Qe5 Rf2 38.Kb4 Rf5 39.Qc7 g5 40.a5 Kh7 41.Rc3 Kg6 42.c5 Qe4+ 43.Rc4 Qe2 44.Qb7 Re5 45.a6 Qa2 46.Rc3 Re1 47.a7 Ra1 48.a8=Q Qxa8 49.Qxa8 Rxa8 50.c6 f5 51.c7 Rc8 52.Ka5 f4 53.gxf4 g4 54.b4 h4 55.b5 h3 56.b6 h2 57.Rc1 g3 58.b7 Rxc7 59.f5+ exf5

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Author Topic: Carmelo Risquet vs. ROW Move 22

Mole82
Chess rating: 2608

3 all-play-all norms

6/19/2009 5:41:04 PM | MsgID: 11561458

Originally posted by: "Pondering_Oblivion"
Yes there are. There are stupid people as well.

For example I was going to ask why not qa3.

If you mean why not Qa3 now then white has Rxf8check..Kxf8; Qxc3..gxf6 and white is a bishop up.
There may be better lines but this is good enough for white to win from.

doctork
Chess rating: 2644 Fide 2024
LCF 2024

19 all-play-all norms

6/18/2009 8:17:48 AM | MsgID: 11554204

Originally posted by: "Pondering_Oblivion"
EDIT:

Nevermind asked a moronic question.

I know this guy. It is his right to ask as many questions as he wants.

Pondering_Oblivion
Chess rating: 1262

6/18/2009 6:12:07 AM | edited:6/18/2009 6:13:01 AM | MsgID: 11553891

Yes there are. There are stupid people as well.

For example I was going to ask why not qa3.

Brian982
Chess rating: 1638

6 all-play-all norms

6/18/2009 3:48:19 AM | MsgID: 11553620

Originally posted by: "Pondering_Oblivion"
EDIT:

Nevermind asked a moronic question.

There are no stupid questions... just stupid answers.

-Brian

dellman
Chess rating: 2785 Fide 2218

16 all-play-all norms

6/15/2009 5:23:56 AM | MsgID: 11537515

[Quote from: "FirebrandX"]

[Quote from: "dellman"]Well I guess it's ..Rxd8

White then has either Rf1 or a4. Note that Be2 does not work to ..h4.

After the expected 23. Rf1 Qxa6 24. Qf3 we will need to discuss the ..Qa3 idea which I currently favour, or ..Rd7 or ..f6.

If you look several move threads back, You'll find I had analyzed several options including Qa3. I recall Qa3 was a gimmick attack that ultimately doesn't work. White has very good winning chances against it. Same thing with f6. Eventually I found the "Big Struggle" line was Rd7, where I spent quite some time trying to find a way for white to force a win, but ultimately concluded black can hold the draw with best play. It's just my personal opinion at this point because I'm too busy to work on this game right now, but I felt Rd7 was the only solid option to play.

Since your earlier work, a large thread at move 20 demonstrated that ..Qa3 is not gimmickly and provided better chances than ..Rd7. At that point I changed my view.

The idea of ..Qa3 is that after Qxc3 ..Ra8 white playing Qb2 allows Qb4 and Qxe4 whilst the white queen gets back into play.

No doubt this will all be discussed in 2 moves time when we get to that position. In the meantime, I see no choice in other moves at this move or next.

FirebrandX
Chess rating: 1400

18 all-play-all norms

6/15/2009 3:58:20 AM | edited:6/15/2009 3:58:54 AM | MsgID: 11537340

Originally posted by: "dellman"
Well I guess it's ..Rxd8

White then has either Rf1 or a4. Note that Be2 does not work to ..h4.

After the expected 23. Rf1 Qxa6 24. Qf3 we will need to discuss the ..Qa3 idea which I currently favour, or ..Rd7 or ..f6.

Pondering_Oblivion
Chess rating: 1262

6/15/2009 2:18:09 AM | edited:6/15/2009 2:18:46 AM | MsgID: 11537152

EDIT:

Nevermind asked a moronic question.

dellman
Chess rating: 2785 Fide 2218

16 all-play-all norms

6/15/2009 1:50:38 AM | edited:6/15/2009 1:55:24 AM | MsgID: 11537089

Well I guess it's ..Rxd8

White then has either Rf1 or a4. Note that Be2 does not work to ..h4.

After the expected 23. Rf1 Qxa6 24. Qf3 we will need to discuss the ..Qa3 idea which I currently favour, or ..Rd7 or ..f6.

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