mjgayle52
|  6/21/2009 3:58:24 PM | MsgID: 11570731
chessnut and kingscrusher
thank you both for your considered responses...i am glad as always that this is a site that encourages suggestions and the disccussion of same.
i would like to add that being and having known creative people the discussions can get a little heated sometimes...but, at the end of the day we all want basically the same thing. "the best place on the internet to come and enjoy correspondence chess".
thanks again
mike g
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chessnut
| 6/21/2009 1:57:53 PM | MsgID: 11570254
-1- the knee-jerk criticism in this forum is not healthy. i don't mind so much because i have a thick skin. but over the years i have wanted to draw good ideas from people and have found if you shoot them down right away they stop contributing. rather than red lighting ideas i suggest that we explore what is good about the idea and see if there is something there first. we can always be critical later (thats easy).quote
I didn't just shoot the idea down. Just that if we all ready have an option to do what you suggest then I tell you how to install that option. If you want to track a game wright down the number and type in in the box click on go and it will take you to that game.What's so hard about that? With both browsers that I use have a list that shows under the box when I type in the first number.
chessnut site admin.
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mjgayle52
| 6/21/2009 1:32:44 PM | MsgID: 11570157
kingscrusher -
thank you for your detailed response. i would take exception to your use of words like "random", "techie"...etc
in my list i included fits with the "theme".
perhaps the ability to track other games doesn't fit on the game page. thats a good question but the easy ability to track other peoples ongoing games is a quite natural addition. i/we are interested in each others games. for education for enjoyment for the social aspects. so, perhaps a place for this feature could be found.
two other thoughts
-1- the knee-jerk criticism in this forum is not healthy. i don't mind so much because i have a thick skin. but over the years i have wanted to draw good ideas from people and have found if you shoot them down right away they stop contributing. rather than red lighting ideas i suggest that we explore what is good about the idea and see if there is something there first. we can always be critical later (thats easy).
-2- as far as the feature being "blitzy" i don't agree - but even if i did - you yourself have included now numerous blitz youtube videos
thanks mike g
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kingscrusher
| 6/21/2009 7:46:55 AM | edited:6/21/2009 8:12:13 AM | MsgID: 11569021
Originally posted by: "mjgayle52"
chessnut -
What makes a good suggestion "good"
-1- it has value as in people would make use of it
-2- it is easy to implement relative to the increased value
-3- it fits with the current design/theme
-4- it fits (screen/gui design) within the page space (ie doesnt make things too crowded)
-5- it makes good use of computer resources (cpu, disk space...etc)
a little dropdown list of game numbers perhaps with playerx-vs-playery in the description probably satisfies all of the above criteria. perhaps your knowledge of the site suggests people wouldn't use it or it doesn't fit with the theme or you have other criteria. the "browser" argument must be based on the browsers ability to keep history or favorites/bookmarks. neither of these features works nearly as well as the integrated suggestion of the dropdown.
curious to hear a more detailed response...
mike g |
Well this forum does kind of emphasis if you go to the front of it, that suggestions relating to "correspondence chess" are more valued. Refreshing particular games, doesn't do it for me. It sounds more like a blitzy facility.
You do seem to have a very techie mindset indeed from your list above. This is an online correspondence chess organisation. I am sorry if people want to throw random of way out of scope suggestions to the forum. On this occasion I think Chessnut is right to say about what the browser offers as well.
Once you get it into your head, the site is about online correspondence chess - an organisation devoted to that form of the game, then hopefully things like people online indicators, and board refreshing should come away down lower in your prioritity list for putting here or backing here. This isn't a technical exercise in doing x number of features, or awarding people lightbulbs for totally irrelevant suggestions for the site's major goals.
I think add "matching existing cultural expectations" would be good for you mjgayle52, as you seem to think nothing about changing the play page to include games which are not even one's turn. There is also a certain inertia of the site being around for eight years and how the site works. Bear this in mind too and then maybe you would give less the impression that you are more interested in the site from a technical IT perspective than an organisation trying to promote relaxed correspondence style chess.
Here is a proposed list alteration - but there are a lot of other factors not listed here :
1. Suggestions fits in with making Chessworld a more effective organisation for providing online relaxed correspondence style chess
2. Suggestions fit in with culture and expectations of the site, and especially when criticial pages are involved.
3. It has "value" as in people would make use of it. But where the people are interested in online correspondence chess and not just any generic chess audience.
4. It is easy to implement relative to the increased value
6. It doesn't use too much database resources which are critical on a site like this.
Anyway in regard for not refreshing a play page, there are the Game wait buttons at the bottom of the play page, which avoid the issue raised in this thread at the start. Either "Wait for any game" or "Wait for this game".
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mjgayle52
| 6/20/2009 11:33:49 PM | MsgID: 11568008
chessnut -
What makes a good suggestion "good"
-1- it has value as in people would make use of it
-2- it is easy to implement relative to the increased value
-3- it fits with the current design/theme
-4- it fits (screen/gui design) within the page space (ie doesnt make things too crowded)
-5- it makes good use of computer resources (cpu, disk space...etc)
a little dropdown list of game numbers perhaps with playerx-vs-playery in the description probably satisfies all of the above criteria. perhaps your knowledge of the site suggests people wouldn't use it or it doesn't fit with the theme or you have other criteria. the "browser" argument must be based on the browsers ability to keep history or favorites/bookmarks. neither of these features works nearly as well as the integrated suggestion of the dropdown.
curious to hear a more detailed response...
mike g
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chessnut
| 6/20/2009 7:29:10 PM | MsgID: 11566986
No just know the site better than you.
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mjgayle52
| 6/20/2009 6:39:02 PM | MsgID: 11566767
Chessnut - Chief defender of the status quo (sp?).
We really need an ideacrusher icon - perhaps a hammer breaking a light bulb.
with love mike g
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chessnut
| 6/20/2009 6:20:06 PM | MsgID: 11566699
Your browser will do that.
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mjgayle52
| 6/20/2009 4:33:14 PM | MsgID: 11566141
Thanks chessnut, "Go To Game ___" could be improved greatly by a dropdown of the last 5 or 10 games that you went to recently.
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